October 10, 2019 HomeArticlesThe Black Lotus The Black Lotus By Maxine Hayes Articles, Blog 100 Comments Tags:and, black lotus, collectible, documentary, for, honus wagner, magic the gathering, most expensive magic card, mtg, pokemon, stamp, the, themagicmansam, trading card game Related Posts You Can MELT METAL In Your HAND! – Liquid Metal Science Experiments 12 Ways I Make Money | How I Support My Family Working At Home Durham City Council Aug 6, 2018 About Author admin 100 Comments sephiros9999 Great video and I dont even play Magic 🙂 August 5, 2019 Reply T A P I know this guy that bought a 5k magic card and he taught me how to play my and gave me a free beginners set I later bought a big set and he got me into playing the game now I have over 3000 cards and he helped me colect them August 5, 2019 Reply Chris Prescher oh man run a proxy in your cube. August 6, 2019 Reply clvinning Who says Holy Boosh when opening a mother fucking alpha black lotus? August 7, 2019 Reply S. John Trombley Sol ring is better than black lotus. It just isn't on the reserved list, so the massive number of printings has kept the price low enough. August 7, 2019 Reply Rui Busto 6k$? top CS:GO knife is 15k$. Ok… 1million is … a bit. August 7, 2019 Reply Ruby Patterson We are a species that puts value on shiny rocks in the ground. August 8, 2019 Reply Timmy the Sorcerer Yes, this vid is almost a year old and maybe I've already posted a comment, but I just wanted to say that I still watch it over and over again. Simply fantastic, thank you for making this! 👊 August 8, 2019 Reply pedro beato They just have to print things that are better than the power 9. Keep it in a single set, ban it in the same formats, and weather the storm. August 8, 2019 Reply Oliver Barber That was well put together and an informative clip, cheers. August 9, 2019 Reply Shane Klein look all they need to do is tell the collecter to shove it August 9, 2019 Reply Jared Wilson This video makes me choke up.. not sure why.. good stuff man August 9, 2019 Reply RethParish The day that the Reserved List is taken out then the next set should be a paper version Vintage Masters. They could make it a Collector's Set like the gold border cards or put them in booster packs but they won't be tournament legal but you can play with your friends to get that 93 magic feel. August 10, 2019 Reply Amarok Tezcatlipoca I had a near mint Alpha lotus around '96-'97, having traded into a pack fresh Unlimited version first (my Beta was stolen, and I wanted another black border) then traded that plus many other expensive rares toward the Alpha. I probably only got away with it because at the time Alpha wasn't tournament legal due to different corners. The game was in a serious slump with few fun and powerful cards still being printed (at least for me and my friends it was all but dead to us), and I sold it for less than $400 within the year because even that much value seemed stupid for a game piece of what felt like a dying game. It sat in that shop for months and the owner even had buyer's remorse, but by the time I wised up and went to buy it back, some very lucky person had bought it. I think the store owner might have made $50 profit. None of us thought this would ever happen. I own several counterfeits now and mostly just admire them, and I absolutely loathe that they won't reprint simply as game pieces, not even ones that aren't tournament legal, which they could technically do (and I can't stand tournaments anyway). Even with my counterfeits I have no one to play a true "oldschool" game with, the old game might as well be its own game compared to what's out now, they aren't compatible. I'm a player first, and have come to the conclusion that collectible + card game = poor game design. Even the modern game is pure pay-to-win. The vast majority of cards are only valuable based on play value first, then their rarity, many cards equally rare as a lotus but not outrageously powerful still only go for about $500 bucks, a tiny fraction but every bit as rare. Nice video, but a huge chunk of "players' players" hate this reprint policy for every "have" who likes the "collectible" exclusivity. I just want to play the game again as the designer Richard Garfield intended. I'll never be able to do that as long as the reserved list exists, even if I still had the cards I would literally have no local opponents to play against. I could heavily invest in counterfeits, but I don't like the idea of buying two or more decks worth just to loan one to someone who probably doesn't even love or understand that version of the game to humor me. I want to play with and against those cards seeing decks others have built themselves, that's half the fun. The game as I loved it is functionally dead and will remain so for years to come, or at least most likely until I'm too old to care. Are there reprint copies of that first Superman just so you can read it for fun? I bet there are, and they aren't worth much. Why they won't do the same thing for Magic boggles my mind. I won't be alive by the time their copyright runs out. Hopefully I'll be alive to see the Chinese perfect their counterfeiting and reek havoc on the market, forcing them to rescind the list. Yeah, I said it. Burn, Wotc! Mark Rosewater literally ruined the game for many of us with the reserved list as *I had the cards but wanted more people to have them*. I was fully expecting these cards to come back in a new set eventually, when I heard they weren't and apparently never would be, I canceled my orders and developed a life-long hatred for the company as they effectively killed off the game I came into and enjoyed. They even had the nuts to say that version of the game was "broken." How dare they. It was the most fun I ever had. I've boycotted buying packs and have two reasonably priced decks I bought on the secondary market and won't buy another "real" card if I can possibly help it. I'd prefer the game just die at this point, it's already all but dead to me. My last playgroup that actually used these cards all cashed out in the early 2000's when the prices went past what I'd call "reasonable for pure gaming purposes." Now it's exclusive to rich guys with youtube channels who fly around the country to play each other, doesn't sound remotely appealing. Even if I still had the cards, I'd simply be far more financially solvent, I'd never hang onto them at these ridiculous values. I'd take a nice house and a good car over some pieces of cardboard any day. I have better hobbies that I could spend far less money on. To me it's like if Bicycle said you can't have the Ace of Spades anymore, and all you want to do is play Spades with your average income friends, nothing more. I realize this is a text wall but I thought your viewers should hear the story from a true oldschool player's position, ie one who was actually there in the 90's with the cards and not some dude who was 10 at the time and merely dreamed of owning them, then went "oldschool collector" when he became wealthy in middle age. Am I a little bitter? Yes, of course, they ruined the best game of all time by making it so exclusive, when that was a problem many of us were actually trying to correct from the very beginning by asking for more reprints. So what did they do? Chronicles, which failed purely because it reprinted cards that no one actually wanted to play with, that only had value for their rarity, the exact opposite of what the players wanted. Then speculators freaked out and the reserved list was born. Thing is, no one's paying even a thousand for a Cyclopean Tomb and it's exactly as rare as a Black Lotus, it just isn't crazy powerful to play with or even a card that ever saw tournament play. See the problem? It's not pure collectibility at work, it's rarity plus usefulness in gameplay terms. I would have zero problems with an alpha lotus being worth so much *just for being an Alpha*, not because you literally can't get ANY version of that card anymore. Thanks for reading if you made it this far, I just felt someone had to speak from this position. Blow me up, call me names, I don't care, I've said what I had to. Peace. August 10, 2019 Reply Bottle 12 Is it a good card? Or just rare? Or both? August 10, 2019 Reply Adrius What a fantastic video. August 11, 2019 Reply Nebojsa Tosic Someone give this guy a black lotus August 11, 2019 Reply Mr. 101 OMG! this video made me wow! like can't count anymore…I'm such a magic fan boy..magic forever! August 11, 2019 Reply Ever Greatest I have never even wanted to play magic but I watched this whole video great job! August 11, 2019 Reply Evolution shamp Youtube strikes again August 12, 2019 Reply David Yeakle I never understood why people pay so much money for useless junk like that. I don't care if the clouds parted, harps played, and Jesus himself came down from heaven in a pillar of light to sign a baseball, I'm still not paying more than $10 for it. August 12, 2019 Reply The worse player How did I get here from a kryoz video? August 12, 2019 Reply michael rea gained a subscriber, nice vid August 13, 2019 Reply Cum Captain Time twister is legal in Commander August 13, 2019 Reply Zach Chaffee 1.2 million views less than a year later thats incredible August 14, 2019 Reply Lyng Fantastic video. August 14, 2019 Reply MatthiasSpangenberg Even with reseve list intact they can print a new card like black lotus giving 4 mana. They can destroy Power 9 cards by releasing more powerful cards, so what is the point of the list? August 16, 2019 Reply Temaru Phan When collectors strike again and forbid reprints. I mean if this was in Yu-Gi-Oh I'd be like BRUH August 16, 2019 Reply Sir Chives this video got me into MTG August 16, 2019 Reply agr0nianTV This was randomly in my recommended and since I've never touched Magic (I do play Yugioh and Hearthstone though). I loved your segway up to 6:23 it was very informative. This is a great documentary professional grade stuff for sure. August 17, 2019 Reply TheKewlGamingMonkey God damn this video is good. Started off having nothing to do with Magic, and over 6 minutes it related perfectly. Really well written, your voice is nice, and great editing! August 17, 2019 Reply Good Username Never gave a single fuck about Magick, but damn this video is entertaining. August 17, 2019 Reply GodzillaFreak As a yugioh player, black lotus looks absolutely useless. No idea what mana is supposed to be. August 19, 2019 Reply Truth Hero Does anyone know which song by Lakey Inspired this is? August 20, 2019 Reply Alex Kammeraad I have a friend who sold a black lotus for $300 awhile back. August 21, 2019 Reply יואב שוחט I didn't understand one thing about this card. What makes it so powerful? Its a 0 mana card that gives you 3 mana of a chosen color? Because that is all i can understand from what this card actually does. I get that its a very good card but the most powerful card in magic? Super rare? Yes, overall good? Yes, but i can't find a reason to call it powerful in terms of actual gameplay, its simmilar to the lotus field but no sacing land, not to mention there are deck that use blood sun to make it so its also free 3 mana. I just don't get it August 27, 2019 Reply Teddy Berghammer Actually 1996 world champion is by far the most powerful card in the game while there is only one of them in the world it’s still insane I think it sells by like 3ish mill maybe two August 28, 2019 Reply Kikicatmeow I just sat through 31 minutes..?It only felt like 10 wth September 1, 2019 Reply Josh Boucher I dont see how you are protected on devaluation on a product. Haha wish it was that way with stocks. Sounds like just a golden legal zone the collector is in. September 2, 2019 Reply Dohyden2 It upsets me that they listened to the reserved list complaints in 2010. I am certain that the majority of players and people who buy wizards sealed product would have been in favour of reserved list cards being reprinted in this way, but those people were quiet, or they didn't even know what was happening because it was never a problem for them, only a good thing. I personally want magic cards to be worth as little as possible on the secondary market and I want sealed product to maintain a steady MSRP because wizards is giving us new and fun sets. I am sick of masters sets giving us hugely inflated sealed product because of the secondary market, these products hurt local game stores and over charge the players. Abolish the reserved list and start printing these cards into the ground, let players access these card, let them play with them. I have never bought a magic card because of its value, I only ever buy cards because I want to play with them and that's how it is for almost all of the people who play magic. If people complain about the card prices on the secondary market then tough, the secondary market is not wizards concern, sale of sealed product is wizards concern. The game is fun to play and should continue to be fun to play for many years. September 2, 2019 Reply 88Somi Question form totaly mtg noob : are there some cards from newest releases which became value like black lotus in future ? September 2, 2019 Reply Bill Owen Why can't Wotc just buyout the reserve list? Then they could remove it and reprint without ramifications September 2, 2019 Reply Liam Melchior My dad sold his unlimited black lotus for a bus ticket like 20 years ago rip September 2, 2019 Reply Eric Mejia Dude omg I almost fucking screamed when he bent that lotus holy fuck September 2, 2019 Reply Henry Why the f would u do the bend testKill me September 2, 2019 Reply wang chang Exactly one year later i find this video. Creepy September 2, 2019 Reply Lil Slurpie Yea my dad has two black lotuses and 4 fakes… September 3, 2019 Reply Jabbernaut Summary of misinformation in this video: 1. (5:00) Any card in the game can be created with 'arcane dust' acquired by disenchanting extra duplicate or unwanted cards, so if there is any single card you really want, you can make it guaranteed once you open enough packs to acquire enough dust, you don't have to get it randomly in a pack as the video claims. 2. (7:00) Summoning a copy of Shudderwock via Saronite Chain Gang's battlecry does not activate its battlecry again; battlecries only activate when a minion is played as a card from the hand. 3. (9:19) Either player can concede at any time during the Shudderwock battlecry and it will end the game instantly, so the long animation is only a problem when the losing player refuses to concede and elects to waste both players' time watching it. (Apparently there was a bug exclusive to the phone version of the game where you couldn't concede during the animation but this was hotfixed within 3 days of the card's release.) 4. (11:15) Totally left out that Blizzard does compensate you when a card is nerfed by allowing you to disenchant it at its full dust value, effectively allowing you to switch it out for a different card of equal value. September 4, 2019 Reply steven ouellette That’s some Quality stuff! September 5, 2019 Reply Philipp Hartung good video but entirely wrong title September 5, 2019 Reply HA CardMe I LOVED this video! This was an amazing and in-depth look at one of the most iconic cards. This is definitely one of my favorite videos I have ever seen. Great job! September 5, 2019 Reply Mr. Favorable I gotta say dude I absolutely love your channel. So far I've watched the Bolt video and this one. Your video has a lot of information and history on the game! September 6, 2019 Reply Callum S. … see though, Black Lotus is powerful in a format like modern, and it was powerful back in the day… But it's now 2019 (as I write this comment) and honestly, I truly believe that the true power level of Mr. Lotus needs to be refreshed: it's old, and outdated – and call me naive, but honestly, imo Black Lotus is overrated. Let's all move aside for the true king of artifact mana rocks: Sol Ring xD September 6, 2019 Reply Daniel C He should've done the rip test to prove authenticity September 7, 2019 Reply Pleasant Whale You make a good point at the end. "Well, if yer gonna laugh at us for liking cards, you guys need to admit that paying a few grand for a baseball is ALSO dumb." I stand on the ground of, "You're right. It's ALL silly."I don't respect any kind, "extreme" collecting.A stamp book (As boring as that sounds) with a buncha stamps that are worth 30-80 cents? Sure, that's a cute collection.Magic and Yugioh cards? YAH! That's ok!However…Buying a Magic card for 10,000 dollars? Nah…I'm sorry but, I don't find that to be a, "Beautiful community that is passionate and cares for the rich history of the game."I see that as an unhealthy addiction and big waste of dosh.–"But people collect baseballs for 5000 bucks-"And I just said that, that is ALSO stupid. September 9, 2019 Reply Dogma Sough What a great and interesting video! I'm not a magic player, but the quality of this video is unquestionable. Pretty awesome. September 9, 2019 Reply Solja GOD Wouldn't the original prototype cards be THE most expensive magic cards? September 9, 2019 Reply Antonius Britannia So as "holy grails" you put up a one of a kind card given for winning a tournament for Pokemon, and compare that to a Black Lotus, instead of the 1994 Champion card? September 10, 2019 Reply Cory Baxter 23:30 Imagine using real cards in a cube. EVER HEARD OF A PRINTER? What the fuck!? September 10, 2019 Reply Ruben Scott I only seen 2 in high school few kids would play 24/7 September 13, 2019 Reply sky My friend got his uncle's magic collection and got two time walks both valued at $500. if it was a little older it would have been worth $5k September 15, 2019 Reply Nox.INk# Records ❶ Now, this is Quality content. Way to go! September 15, 2019 Reply peter makes i think i've seen this video four times now. i don't own a black lotus nor will i likely ever have one. i didn't play magicback then and just started a few years back. but still this card is fascinating to me. and this video is part of that fascination. every time it gets recommended from anywhere i click on it, because i know just how good it is. amazing work! September 17, 2019 Reply joe smith black lotus was a joke why its worth a lot,,,, chad be worth do to wear September 18, 2019 Reply lovesinfinite1 Awesome documentary September 21, 2019 Reply MetalShredMaddNESS Thing is the collectors also keep younger or newer players from really ever playing with these older cards. Sure MTGO has them for far cheaper than their paper counterparts but MTGO is a dying platform and clunky as all hell plus paper is just more fun. Digital is more convenient and accessible but I prefer paper when possible. September 22, 2019 Reply The Lazy Capitalist Loved the intro, fantastic! September 22, 2019 Reply Zer0Shift Collectors do not invest in the game to any considerable degree any more, furthermore they do not play the game. Collectors needs should not ever be considered, only players, people prurchasing the product and playing the game. Just abolish the list – wait 5 years for the abolishment to be considered the norm, and then reprint the shit out of them. September 22, 2019 Reply Mark Behiter Anyone else cringe when he bent the lotus!!!Anyone else get emotional when they pulled the lotuses??? September 22, 2019 Reply simon centeno Damn, "Cabinets of Curiosities" sounds like a magic card. September 23, 2019 Reply EloquentTroll Oh damn I didn't realize that I was older than Sam. I am 33, in 1993 I started reading The Lord of the Rings. Sadly I didn't discover Magic until 2000. September 23, 2019 Reply Tong Zou I mean a museum is really just a big cabinet of curiosities September 23, 2019 Reply zombiekiller2112 Fuck the reserved list I want to play the game fuck your expensive cardboard September 23, 2019 Reply G vw Really awesome video!! September 23, 2019 Reply June This is an example of what a GOOD video should be. Congratulations!! September 24, 2019 Reply DAsrada My personal plan, once I've got the money, is to worm my way in, and then eliminate the Reserved List. I don't think the majority of people clinging to it are particularly worth considering. They've probably got a foot in a coffin by this point. Then I can get em to print Vintage Horizons, which will reprint the Power Nine. I think it would expand the number of players, overall. I think my solution is inevitable. If not me, someone else will come up with this sort of scheme. My ultimate goal? Each of the power nine selling for nine or ten dollars, maybe even just five. September 24, 2019 Reply umbaupause I mean if you laugh at the concept of collectables, you might as well laugh at the concept of money itself. It's just printed pieces of paper and shaped discs of metal. But what is important is what these objects stand for, really. September 24, 2019 Reply Sir Benbot Who's here after watching Spider-Man far from home September 24, 2019 Reply nightsage217 I would just keep the promise if I am the maker. Power nines imbue historical value in brand, granting players power, wealth and pride. September 25, 2019 Reply ErikTheRedd1 This video is your Black Lotus September 25, 2019 Reply UltimateKyuubiFox This was incredibly well produced. I did not think I’d watch the whole video when I clicked on it. But those first seven minutes were genius to get me invested. Great work. September 26, 2019 Reply The Universe i'd take lawsuit, game design dictated by money is always worse off for it September 26, 2019 Reply rotolotto What's funny about McFarlane's purchases is that he only bought them so that he could score licensing to make sports action figures for McFarlane Toys. Very interesting stuff September 26, 2019 Reply Justin S I really, really like that DJ put his black lotus in a cube. Restricting magic cards to the cold fate of a lockbox is antithetical to the game and the franchise as a whole. I 100% believe the secondary market has put a tight stranglehold on the game I am far happier with the idea of somebody getting to put the card to use. September 26, 2019 Reply Wad Wiswell okay, so looking at my cards it leads me to a question, my older cards have green borders as well, why don't they use that? if black and white are out then green is a colour they could use, even if that is not good, why not make a new colour border for that list that can be printed in large amounts and not effect the actual cards, leaving the old art cards untouched, new art and the like as well, though that is just me looking at loop holes. September 26, 2019 Reply TGGeko snip snip! September 28, 2019 Reply Phileas Liebmann Ugh, I don't even play MTG and the bend test is so painful to watch. September 29, 2019 Reply Charles Quelos Good work, very instructive September 29, 2019 Reply Roslina Tamold Gilded Lotus all the way. October 1, 2019 Reply waloacme Amazing video. October 2, 2019 Reply Elyas Machera All Hail Mox Lotus October 2, 2019 Reply Fish Would WoTC be allowed to print a silver border black lotus that isn't legal in any format as a sort of symbolic prize? October 2, 2019 Reply ThatilDoPig Bro, this video is so good! You did an awesome job on this! October 3, 2019 Reply Nate T I saw this in my recommended, I don't even play Magic or understand the rules but goddamn this was a good video. October 3, 2019 Reply minonano I remember seeing a rich kid in school with a lotus, during the 5th~6th edition era (almost 20 years ago!). Since we played in school, even though it was obviously banned, it saw a lot of play (inside a protector of course). Nice to see the lotus still holds a special place in Magic, and that bend test URGH. October 5, 2019 Reply EPTUS is it just me or do u remember people opening mass packs trying to get this one card, damn the nostalgia October 5, 2019 Reply riley dalisa WTF does it take to make it a 10. he literally took it out of the pack and somehow a 9.5 only October 6, 2019 Reply Marcelo Guerra Great vid, i love the Lotus October 7, 2019 Reply No. Wtf did the flu game shoes go for so little? So the baseball went for $2.6m? October 7, 2019 Reply mmbl 388 Why would you want this if you can't even use it acording to rule of mtg now October 9, 2019 Reply Add a Comment Cancel reply Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment:*Name:* Email Address:* Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.